15 1 A Way Out developer said that PS4 Pro is like a 5 years old PC and its really holding developers back

A Way Out is a new game from EA and this game is made by the same developer that was responsible for the brothers which is kind of like co-op kind of game, an indie game that is pretty much ever available on PS4, Xbox and PC as well. Now obviously the new game A Way Out is pretty interesting as well. It’s going to be a co-op based as well. It’s obviously still an indie game so, it’s not like a huge AAA title and but this game looks really interesting. And obviously that got some media attention until the developers are kind of in the spotlight right now.

One of the team member Josef Fares who is a game director for the game was interviewed by Engadget and he was actually talking about the PS4 version of the game. During the interview he actually said that PlayStation 4 Pro is pretty much an old kind of system that really holds the developers back. This is actually what he said:

“Do you want the honest truth? This machine is not so strong as you think. This is like a five-year-old PC. If consoles were as powerful as PCs are today, you would see all different games. Most of the work developers put out there is to make them work on consoles.”

17 7 A Way Out developer said that PS4 Pro is like a 5 years old PC and its really holding developers back

This is another statement that kind of fits in into the hole apparently kind of narrative, now obviously we knew that the both Xbox One and PS4 and specially Xbox One, is actually kind of old tech. Basically even at the launch because both consoles launched at the end of 2013 and both consoles actually used the same technology in terms of CPU and GPU. Although the PS4 actually comes with a 50% more powerful GPU, i.e: more shaders and also more faster memory.

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Going back to the GPU side of things, basically it’s sort of variation of the Radeon HD 77850. This particular graphics card on PC is roughly around 1.8 TFLOPS as well depending on the clock speed as well. That pretty much the same sort of TFLOPS count on the PS4 and this particular card was released on PC market back in 2010. Even at that time of PS4 and Xbox One launch this particular graphics chip was like 3 or 4 years old. Even though the consoles did provide extra level of optimization and that is the only reason games actually run and looks good on both consoles.

  • D2ultima

    Glad SOMEBODY said it. PS4 Pro doesn’t even scratch up to the R9 290 in terms of GPU power.

  • Mike

    Well they are right, the i7-2600k from 2011 (6 years old) and the GTX 780 ti from 2013 (4 years old) are A LOT stronger than the PS4 PRO and can play games at a much higher graphical detail and FPS. Yes, even at native 4k.

    • Douglas Yeaman

      Think about price, the only thing I find pretty awful about the PS4 Pro and the XBOXoneOEXOEXXX is they both use a crap CPU.

  • 5p1r0k33t

    I agree with the sentiment, but this article is a fucking grammatical nightmare. Did anyone proof read this?

    • Kawaii Kurumi

      Yeah there are some grammatical errors

      • Chuckles

        “Some”

  • Gonzobot

    It’s like some idiot child took the keyboard of somebody with an actual journalist account at this company and submitted an op-ed piece about how dumb his friends were for buying their Xboxes instead of the obviously better PS4. I hope they didn’t pay this guy to submit this rant.

    • Harms

      No, honestly I think it’s about how bad both consoles are compared to even an entry level PC. Both the Xbox One, S, and X along with the PS4 and Pro are literal pieces of trash compared to even an entry level PC. Gearbox used to say how Borderlands 2 was held back severely by the limitations of the 360 and PS3 because Sony and Microsoft undercut their production and deliver shit tier components and force developers to conform to them. This is happening all over again, and if Microsoft and Sony don’t want to completely dump their PlayStation and Xbox divisions, they should step up their game and deliver machines of actual quality rather than the piss poor excuses for gaming machines that these consoles are.

      • Suzaku Kururugi

        What’s an “entry level PC?” cite specs please.

    • dock gamer

      Yea but he’s right.

  • Douglas Yeaman

    It looks like a constipated rhino tried to type this as well. As well.

  • Buddydudeguy

    Gee, ya think? Been saying it all along. Only console plebs ( tech illiterates) deny it. Remember, FPS and graphics don’t matter!

  • JasonRoseEh

    Do you not have an editor? This was written with 7 year old level English. Horrible piece that isn’t worth the time to read.

    On topic: who cares? The PS4 is producing some of the most gorgeous games ever created, tech numbers be damned. There’s objectively little holding devs back from making anything they want on screen.

    • Boris Stravinsky

      All at a cinematic 30fps.

      • JasonRoseEh

        Xbox One X won’t be running games in 60 either for the foreseeable future, if ever. 4K 60 is a pipe dream for even high end PCs. There’s a myriad of games running above 30 on Pro as well, fluctuating frame rates have never bothered me as long as the pacing is fine.

        • Chuckles

          “4K 60 is a pipe dream for even high-end PCs”.

          My “high-end PC” (i7-7700K, GTX 1080 Ti) hits those numbers regularly on triple-A titles like DOOM and Arma. And with well-optimized games like Starcraft 2, my laptop hits 4K at 60 FPS as well.

          Not much of a pipe dream.

  • Dom

    Why are 12 year olds on XBox Live writing gaming articles? I mean its not like but huge deal, but like this article is like trash.

    • dock gamer

      “I mean it’s not like but huge deal, but like this article is like trash” ? Are you 12 years old.

  • Maniate

    Does this fool think that most of the PCs people are playing games with today aren’t at least five years old themselves? All this article has told me is that the way out devs aren’t so good at working with the specs they were given. Thanks for the warning.

  • Zepid

    This sentence “obviously we knew that the both Xbox One and PS4 and specially Xbox One, is actually kind of old tech” is why no one trusts gaming media anymore. Both the Xbone and PS4 have the exact same architecture. It just the PS4 has slightly better memory, a slower CPU and a GPU with more stream processors. They are effectively identical machines that are both identically dated in terms of age.

    i.e. the author needs to shut the fuck up about his preconceived bias and stop arguing over which console can barely push out 30fps at 720p, because both consoles are absolutely atrocious low-cost trash consumers are eating up. This is the first generation since the SNES that 1st party has made such an insane profit margin on each console sold.

  • dave

    Christ this article is written fucking piss poorly with terrible grammar.

    • dock gamer

      How it is written does not change the fact that the ps4 pro is like a 5 year old pc.

      • ROxXR ify

        No, but it’s still shameful to have someone who can’t write proper English working for a professional journalistic website.

  • davide

    The Problem is in my opinion that PS4PRO and XBOXONEX don’t GIVE 60FPS because the Poor CPU performance (2.3ghz) instead of have a 3.6ghz or 4ghz cpu.
    So 4K become unusefu for player at 30FPS because all the image quality when you move at 30FPS is BAD,BLURRY and is not beautiful as you can see also in this video:

    Top of that another think they wrong is they dont give GRAPHICS SETTING MENU for players can LOW Resolutions and some graphics effects that they dont like for reach 60FPS like it’s possible to do with a 200€ gpu card on pc.
    The only reason why Microsoft and Sony is release this “FAKE 4K CONSOLES” that at 30FPS mean FAKE 4K CONSOLES because 30FPS make all blurry and bad quality… is because they follow the 4KTV(olimpic,soccer,sports) MArketing and they don’t care about QUALITYPERFORMANCE for player.
    And this is why i dont buy an xboxoneX or ps4pro and enjoy my cheap PC (that i pay only 400€ but give me 1080P 60FPS ULTRA,that is so much better than 4K blurry 30FPS)

  • Chuckles

    This is the worst article I’ve ever read. This author has the writing style of a middle-schooler.

    Wtf is going on here? If this person says “Like”, “Kind of”, “Sort of”, or “Obviously” one more time, I will jump off of a bridge.

  • sexypimmel

    EA fiscal year 2016 revenue PC+Browser $246mill.
    EA fiscal year 2016 revenue Console $1,039mill.
    EA fiscal year 2016 revenue Mobile $146mill.

    Good luck selling that cr_p on da PC … need more proof?

    Ubisoft year 2016 revenue : 80% console, 14% pc, 6% other
    Activision year 2016 revenue :
    console $2.4bill. (battlefield, battlefront, COD and what else?)
    PC $2.1bill. (WoW and its 20mill.? Hearthstone with another 30mill. Diablo 3)
    Mobile (King) $1.6bill.

    All the big 3 Publisher, makers of Battlefield, CoD, The Krew 2 etc.. etc.. make a lot more (EA, Ubisoft) revenue via console than with their pc counterparts. Even Activision still makes more cash by selling console copies than with their 50mill? WoW, Herthstone and Diablo 3 players (not by much but still).

    PC market is DRIVEN by Free to play cr_p and its micro-transactions. Thanks to that it reached new heights of $37bill. last year. But here comes the biggest contributor of those 37bill. it is CHINA with nearly 20bill. themselves. All thanks to those kiddies and 30y kiddies playing in the internet shops, because 99% can not afford to own a pc.

    Remember seeing the mother or wife washing their sons back while he was playing … ? We do not want that “culture” in the West, the PC market AAA for games like CoD, Ass.Creed, Battlefield done by the big 3 is DEAD!

    You don´t like to hear it but ya being brainwashed. If you really believe that the PC is dominating the software sales, ya faaaaaar from reality. On the PC, especially in China Nr1. PC Market F2P is mandatory else your game wont sell shaite … be thankful that only 1 or 2 shitty asian mmo/rpg make it to the west, ya have no friggin clue how many games remain in asia … thank god!

    Also that claim that PC made 444% more revenue than console is BS. Sony alone made $5.6bill in 2016 (software by selling a whooping 260,000,000 gamecopies in 12 foking months vs. the 60ish of MS, MS aims to reach 70 this year with the help of XOX). MS thanks to their pc friends made about $4bill … guess how much steam made last year?

    Steam 2015 with 7,000 games revenue $3.5bill
    Steam 2016 with 14,000 games revenue $3.7bill (over 100% more games, barely a difference … even though we can safely assume there are about 100 to 150mill. “unique” players on steam, 250mill. reg. accounts.)

    Lets put this in perspective (AAA market for games like COD, Battlefield, TC2 etc. not F2P)
    Microsoft is failing so hard this gen made more money than Valve/steam during the same time period WITH 10% less game available on their devices (about 1100 games vs 14k on steam).

    What does that mean? Means that the 20 to 30mill. XB1 owners generate more $$$$$ than 100mill. PC players world wide using Steam …. #SHOCK Now add Sony´s super 2016 with nearly $6bill …. and now Nintendo with Wii U/NX.

    5.5 (Sony) + 4.0ish (MS) + <2.0 (Nintendo) = 10 to 12bill. revenue software sales (consoles 2016). Add console hardware (Sony alone 15billish), MS half or a third of that and few more from Nintendo :

    15bill (Sony) + (if sony sold 20mill. PS4 during 2016, lets assume MS sold 10mill XB = brutto (3billsih) + another billion or two from Nintendo = 20bill. via hardware (max.). We have console software at around 10 to 12ish = total last year 30bill to 32bill. The PC made in 2016 37bill.

    Do 5bill. difference = 444% more revenue? like Superdata claims … at least we consoleros make $$$$ by buying real games, unlike the pc player that can not afford jack shit as shown.

    PC software sales on steam for the 3rd month consecutive drop YOY by another -48%. Your beloved PC has been taken over by the worst parasite to exist, the Trojan aptly named Free To Play.exe.

    Here is the issue i have, i do not give a wet banana where you play or if you pirate … the thing is with the facts shown (big 3 publishers making more dough by selling console copies, steam making per month -48% less money YOY, the fact that PC market is infected by the F2P virus see China, Indoasia) … why does the PC fan still keep upgrading every year?!

    The pc gaming hardware (while everything gets thrown in this catergory, like workstation gpu, cpus, ram etc.) is increasing year by year reaching $30bill. last year. So yes it is true that, thanks to Chinas F2P, MMO Additions (making up nearly 2/3rds of the total pc market worldwide) the pc is making more $$$$ but you have to ask yourself what are you playing?

    F2P Shaite? Or the next The Division, CoD, Battlefield, The Krew 2, Ass.Creed and so forth? If we are strictly talking about "Console AAA vs PC AAA" .. the PC has been dead in this regard for over 20 years (even the witcher 3 maker said it so, without the console there would be a trimmed down version of the Witcher 3 … with 1 swamp level? and 10 side quests .. here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=241334385&postcount=450)

    If we are talking about Console F2P vs PC F2P then yes, the PC beats the shits out the console, even though they still contribute a nice sum. The pc market especially Steam is a dead horse, if Gaben did not open the gates around 2008, steam now would have been as dead as it was during the first 4 years (2004-2008).

    He knew that all he had to do is offer games at $1 and thanks to the 100mill. or more now in 2017, the chances of selling/making a big buck would be a 100% guarantee. Valves takes a 30% cut for each sold shaite on steam, you multiple that by millions .. hence why he got so rich by opting for an mobile like serivce … MORE GAMES = MORE PPL interested (potentially) … problem is, like with the android/mobile market, that Steam has too many games (close to 15,000). No one searches thru all those, to find that rare gem of an RPG, action, racing game … in other words :

    Sell that PC game exclusively in China, market it as F2P and have lots of microtransactions … then it will do well, Fraser. But once you price it at $10 the chances of selling well dwindle fast on the PC … GTA5 PC = 8mill. of which most are double-dippers versus the 60mill. sold on PS360, PS4XB1 tell you how bad the situation is for AAA on the PC.

    Remember those days, when Steam did not exist and every publisher opted for their own DRM protection (was a pain, but i prefered that over Steam any day) … back then EA sold 15mill. copies of The Sims on the PC alone, same goes with Diablo 2 selling well over 15mill. on the PC alone … games used to sell well on the PC when the pc market was "dead".

    Now everyone sees that stupid superdata big numbers and faint, incapable to realize how shitty the situation really is on the PC 🙁

    PC back in the 90s had ONLY EXCLUSIVES, last real exclusives was HL2 and Guild Wars 1. Ever since the F2P boom (2008+) and the Indie Love … those big exclusives on the pc have been replaced by lots and lots of indie games/clones.

    Remember when we all fainted/had an heart attack after playing KKrieger?! Remember the demo scene?! All gone … all replaced with Free to Play shaite and more F2P is produced every day, on a saturated market about to implode.

    Remember when asian mmorpg came to the west, now barely 1 makes the cut … the console have been banned in china for 15years, in less than 1 they made 1% of the revenue.

    In short
    AAA on the PC does not exist, not even worth it … each sold console copy = 10 or more pc copies
    F2P on the PC sadly has brainwashed everyone, most of these f2p games are shaite .. but it is what drives the pc market by a huuuuuuuuuge margin (like 90% F2P, 10% AAA).
    Mobile nobody gives a fukc …

  • Robert Smith

    It should be a requirement to have at least a basic grasp of the English language before you are allowed to write for a company. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4db5d8889309d179dc6c90f09d945af8f6d119fc0551ac48c3d4995c34e394a7.jpg

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  • Turniplord

    Did anyone here bother to click the link and read the real interview? The PS4 pro was never mentioned – not once. He was talking about the base PS4. If they think that’s like a 5yr old pc then I’d hate to hear what they think of the Xbox one – although MS have probably told them not to mention that. I’m guessing it’s going to be 720p and barely 30fps on the original Xbox one

  • Marcelo Taranto

    I’m still waiting for him to show some PC exclusive games with the same graphical level as the new God of War or even Horizon Zero Dawn. Fuck those damned limited devs!

  • Fabio

    Hello guys, sorry for the off topic:

  • Sayonara

    PS4 Pro is NOT even mentioned in ORIGINAL article